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Have you seen Face-Off?Behold the power of fanboys! According to Movie Hole, Warner Bros. ordered script changes for the fourth Terminator film after the original "twist ending" was leaked a few months back. The rumor was that at the end of Salvation, John Connor dies and his skin is placed on top of Sam Worthington's robot character in order to ... um ... help people keep the faith, or, something. After the core audience raged against the twist that would completely negate the point of the entire franchise, Warner Bros. ordered the new ending, which remains under wraps. At this point, no one knows what is true or what weird alternate scenes we'll find on the DVD release, which will probably be about thirty minutes after it hits theaters May 21st. Change it! NOW!What are your thoughts? Do you love the rumored ending or are you glad they might have changed it? Leave your comments below. Source: Movie Hole
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2009, 11:28:42 PM » |
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McG himself has gone on record and said yes it was an idea in an early draft, but never made it into the shooting script. He didn't give the impression that fan reaction has anything to do with it, but who knows.
Now the trailer has shown the set up for the new movie, the twist makes sense - where before it seemed absolutely baffling. I don't think it would have been too bad, after all, did we have a problem rooting for Arnie in T2? He was a robot...
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 03:34:51 AM » |
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That second picture is awesome
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 05:39:09 AM » |
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that rumoured ending sounded great. how exactly would it 'negate the point of the entire franchise'?
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dalmatianjaws
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 11:04:51 AM » |
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The fact that John Conner was never John Conner when he led everyone to "salvation" is a pretty big pill for fanboys to swallow. Artistically daring in terms of storytelling? Maybe, but doing so would be the same as telling all the Catholics "Mary was a whore all along." It's just not going to sit well. Right direction for the story? Maybe. Right direction for a franchise? Probably not.
The proper "fix it" would be the best of both worlds. Turn him into a robot, but copy or replicate his personality. Then you get to play with the hole "do machines have souls?" theme and he's still technically John Connor in the circuitry.
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 01:17:57 PM » |
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Either way this movie is going to be badass!
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dalmatianjaws
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 05:39:40 PM » |
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The new trailer is pretty frackin awesome. Even if it does give away ... everything.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 12:46:05 PM » |
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nah, disagree, that ending would've worked. john connor would still have needed to grow to maturity for his skin to be appropriated and it would be his legacy that inspired the humans to combat the machines; if anything it would have made the sequels more interesting, all of these people being led by a machine against machines and not knowing it, plus the marcus wright character would be avenging himself in a manner of speaking
but hey, who knows if that was even the ending for a fact...and if it was and they've decided to change it then perhaps they've replaced it with something just as cool, and hopefully not something less imaginative just to placate 'the fans'
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 01:25:01 PM » |
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You build upon a franchise's previous story (Aliens), you don't negate its authority (Alien 3). When you do you turn the actions from the first films into mindless buffoonery cause nothing mattered.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2009, 02:36:21 PM » |
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I have to agree there would be something less 'satisfying' about the leader of the resistance being a robot himself. And I would prefer John Connor not to die.
I hope the new ending is solid and they don't just kill off Marcus without using his unique position for some twists and turns.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2009, 03:09:27 PM » |
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I kind of like that he's a robot, but hate the fact he isn't John Connor. There's a way to do both.
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2009, 07:16:40 PM » |
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I kind of like that he's a robot, but hate the fact he isn't John Connor. There's a way to do both.
what do you mean? like making kyle reese a machine? that'd be cool
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 01:16:21 PM » |
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I mean, the proposed ending was to make Sam Worthington LOOK like John Connor and, supposedly, it was him that did all the cool shit. I'd be much more interested if Connor was mortally wounded and they constructed a new body, or uploaded him, whatever, into a robot body. That really trips me out and plays with the themes the seem to want to delve so badly. It begs the question "what makes you human" which is at the core of every cyborg story or human vs. machine story. Then you could have teh cool switcheroo, but not undermine the integrity of the previous stories, those actions would still matter cause they weren't running around based on a lie, they just didn't know the whole truth.
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2009, 01:48:57 PM » |
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i guess that works, but it is a little more pedestrian. compared with john connor making the ultimate sacrifice it just doesn't have the same impact.
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2009, 02:07:35 PM » |
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I'm getting my skin grafted onto a robot when I die. Robotic editor from hell.
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2009, 03:00:02 PM » |
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The skin graph would work if his destiny was already fulfilled.
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2009, 03:03:47 PM » |
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I'm getting my skin grafted onto a robot when I die. Robotic editor from hell.
Me too!
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2009, 03:24:55 PM » |
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so long as we get saved from the REALLY bad machines, that's all good
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2009, 03:33:59 PM » |
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Someone needs to work with editors more 
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