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Author Topic: Christopher Nolan's Batman 3 - It Starts and Ends with Time  (Read 2461 times)
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« on: June 30, 2009, 02:57:08 PM »


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In the recent weeks passed, there has been a lot of talk (coming from this Batman-on-Film.com article or this MTV piece from Christian Bale) about what I'll refer to as Batman 3, or to put this prospective film in context, the third film of what I always hoped (expected) would be Christopher Nolan's Batman Trilogy (essentially, what is the sequel to The Dark Knight). That talk has all been negative, unfortunately. Film journalists, bloggers, and fans alike (as seen here) have been waxing pessimistic about the rumors that Nolan may not return to what is, ostensibly, both his largest and, in my opinion, very best work to date.

It's common knowledge that The Dark Knight took a lot out of Nolan. The production was long, shooting entire scenes with the monstrosities that are the IMAX cameras was arduous, and, of course, Batman's cowl was not the only dark hood to hang over the film. Heath Ledger, whose Oscar winning performance as The Joker will be forever remembered and celebrated, died while the film was in post-production. While all of Ledger's scenes had been shot, his death cast a dark, deep shadow over the film. And an especially dark shadow over Chris Nolan. To everyone who's seen The Dark Knight, it's also quite clear that The Joker's role was never meant to end. "We are destined to do this forever," The Joker postulates, hanging upside down, caught but not subdued — merely another layer of his chaos. But, with Heath Ledger's death (and with him, The Joker's), that anticipated third film seems all but dead, too. The Joker was meant to continue as Batman's foil into the follow up to The Dark Knight. And therein lies the problem.

Where can Christopher Nolan and the Batman franchise go from here?

Batman Begins is Batman's birth. The Dark Knight is both his rise and fall to a place even darker than he thought possible. Should, as I expect, Batman 3 continue to follow this classic biblical structure, it would be Batman's resurrection, his transcendence. The bread crumbs are there, resting atop Gotham's pavement.

But it is there where my thoughts, my ideas, my suggestions branch away.

It starts and ends with time. Time, rather a time jump, is a two-fold solution when applied to Batman 3. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are not separated by much of it at all. Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham and brings Batman with him in Batman Begins. We see the first effects of Batman on his city. We're hopeful. We're excited. Crime recoils, unsure and afraid. But, like Bruce Wayne, we are naive. Batman's very presence causes Gotham to descend even further into madness. When The Dark Knight begins, we're left to fill in the blanks: Batman has garnered a dedicated following. He's the very symbol he set out to be. He's more of a welcomed celebrity than the caped and cowled, distrusted vigilante. And then we see him fall, with Gotham close behind and the people of Gotham being pulled in tow. The small amount of time between the first two films is of necessity. They are two halves, each a side of the same coin, one polished, one scarred. But Batman 3 needs not follow that same dynamic. Could circumstances have been different, sure, Batman 3 could have easily picked up shortly after Batman speeds into the night. But it never had to. And it shouldn't have to now.

Batman 3 should take place years, if not decades, in the future. Who says resurrection has to be three days? By aging Gotham, it ages the characters (thus avoiding a contemporary recasting of The Joker). By aging Gotham, it raises the stakes. Gotham, the fallen city, having been sunk for years now. A city without any hope. A population without a hero. Batman, still a distrusted wild card. Batman, still torn apart by the loss of Rachel. Of Harvey. Of Alfred - he has to go. But we gain a more mature Batman. One who, in the decades passed, has now seen it all. One who has been continually hated by the very people he protects. One who won't let himself become good in their eyes, become that celebrity. One who truly knows how to use his rage, his torment, rather than the Batman we've seen who only thinks he does.

A longer stretch of time affords the creators a sizable amount of leeway. Sure, while we must lose Alfred, perhaps Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox would then fulfill that role. Not a butler, but a confidant and engineer behind-the-scenes working from The Bat Cave beneath the long-since rebuilt Wayne Manor. Perhaps The Joker was, in fact, captured and contained in Arkham for however long it has been between The Dark Knight and Batman 3, but he has only now finally escaped. The Joker wouldn't need to look the same, in fact he shouldn't. His already warped mind would be even more twisted. And Batman and Bruce Wayne both would finally have to confront the very catalyst of their descent. The singular reason for their own madness over the unseen time between films. Open old wounds that (though fresh for us, the audience) have been long scarred over but never healed underneath.

Time passed is story gained. It is permission to complete a tonally structured trilogy as originally intended — though perhaps not as originally conceived. It's also structure gained. It opens the story to the possibility of a more fractured narrative where we can be filled in through flashbacks about the state of Batman while also providing natural places within the film to include some more classic Batman fare — flashbacks that, while in tone, would further the story, explain the status quo, and also show us some action of his years passed. Fights with Penguin. With Cat Woman. With The Riddler. Characters who just don't fit the tonal landscape of Nolan's Batman as a main villain, but would work fine as vignette-like flashbacks. Batman 3 could bypass all of the nonessential franchise films that every property creates. With a story set in the future, any story like, say, the one from Spider-Man 3, that would have happened without us even knowing. We'd only be privy to the after effects, the scars.

Nolan's Batman Trilogy was never, and isn't, meant to be about the happenings and escapades of Batman. This is not villain-of-the-week Caped Crusader. Nolan's Batman is a study of hope's triumph over corruption, over evil. Batman Begins may be the very beginning, but The Dark Knight is as much a beginning, maybe even more so. We don't need a middle. I don't want a middle. Tell me the middle, make me feel it, know it, right before the end. It's the end that I want. Batman 3 is the end that this series needs. It's the poignant finish to an already transcendent would-be-trilogy. And it all starts and ends with time. The future is where Batman 3 needs to take place, a future of bleak hopelessness, a future far enough away that the logistical issues of the contemporary universe are no longer an issue, a future that allows a bold structure but tonal congruence, a future at the very brink in need of a savior — a savior who must overcome his reluctance, his fear, and his foil in order to truly make the difference he's been unable to make for so long. Its title need not be so literal as Batman Begins nor so heady as The Dark Knight — simply, but thoughtfully, its title should be The Batman.

Even if it takes five years or ten, this is a series, a franchise, deserving of its very final chapter. And it's Christopher Nolan who should be the one to provide us with it. With closure. With hope. With The Batman.

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 03:06:21 PM »

Worked for The Godfather.

Oh. Wait.
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 03:27:44 PM »

 Cheesy haha
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 03:30:40 PM »

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Batman 3 should take place years, if not decades, in the future. Who says resurrection has to be three days?

Terrible idea. Totally unnecessary at this point in the series.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 03:50:27 PM »

yeah. this was a horrible, horrible pitch. i'm surprised they posted it. we should collab on our own open letter to nolan and co.

Dear Mr Nolan,

Screw what everyone else says...
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2009, 04:20:58 PM »

I wouldnt be mad if Nolan didnt do a a sequel to The Dark Knight, I would like to see another Batman flick by him, but after Heath Ledger's death and his amazing performance, it would be a hard film to do without him. It will take alot to deliver a proper follow up to The Dark Knight.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 04:47:09 PM »

The real issue isn't that Ledger can't do the role. The issue is that the PLOT of the third movie was set to naturally build off the first two, both in theme and specific plot details. So, if Joker was a major part of that storyline and they're unwilling to recast, then they have to come up with a new plot. And while major logistical and financial roadblocks like that can spur amazing creativity (ala the show Buffy the Fampire Slayer with returned for two brilliant seasons on a new network after a very FINAL season 5 ending) they can also all but destroy a franchise (Alien 3, which the studio mandated be released on a certain date even though they had no idea what it would be about, let alone an outline, treatment, or script!).

To take Joker out of the third movie and move forward anytime soon might be a disaster. Like when they announced Indy IV wouldn't have Sean Connery because he backed out just a couple months before filming began. Producers announced "no big deal."

No big deal? How on earth can you cut out a major character just two months before production? Oh, that's right, because your script is shit and there's no reason for him to be there anyway.

I say, let the creative forces recharge their batteries. If they concieve of a new, awesome storyline then so be it. If not, cast Joseph Gordon Levitt once the fan bitching has died down and make the third one he intended.
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 05:02:08 PM »

it'd be a complete dream come true if gordon-levitt got to do it
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 05:54:53 PM »

I love that kid too, damn good actor.
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2009, 05:57:46 PM »

He was great in Halloween H20.
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 07:00:28 PM »

I thought you didn't like him in that?


The Lookout is a must see for his performance. Brick is even better.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 07:13:50 PM »

I'm kidding, all he did was take a ice skate to the face.


Are they really that stuck for a story? They've barely scratched the surface of the Batman universe. There are plenty of villains left to tackle if they don't want to recast the Joker.

Nolan grew up around the corner from me here in London. If he's still stuck in a couple of weeks I'll go and put some ideas under his door.


Depp as the Riddler, Seymour Hoffman as Penguin the arms dealer. Pick a theme, away you go.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 09:43:01 PM »

Depp as the Riddler.....wont happen.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 10:09:54 PM »

Why not Mr. Ross?
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 03:56:35 AM »

probably for the same reason adrian brody, crispin glover et al didn't play the joker - it was some blogger's idea and not nolan's
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2009, 02:54:46 PM »

The world will survive without a third Batman movie.

Always keep 'em wanting more.
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2009, 03:06:20 PM »

However Johnny Depp is the biggest movie star in the world, he's said he wants to do it, and Michael Caine says an exec told him they were going to use him.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2009, 03:15:59 PM »

i feel another bet coming on...
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2009, 03:24:13 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2009, 03:17:51 PM »

I think it's time for Arnie to make a triumphant return as Mr Freeze
"Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom"

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