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Author Topic: I shouldn't be outraged that they de-skankified a children's cartoon but I am  (Read 3333 times)
dnwilliams
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« on: October 16, 2009, 01:47:14 PM »

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Disney’s Tinkerbell has undergone an extreme makeover for her new straight-to-DVD feature. The petite fairy is ditching the skimpy green frock she’s been rocking since 1953 in favor of something with a bit more fabric.



She's been rockin' a shoulderless mini-dress since the 50s (waaay ahead of the curve) and now she decides to cover up? I don't get it...

And how crap does that CG look btw? I'm sure straight to video hand-drawn was better quality relatively speaking.
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 02:51:04 PM »

This is like putting trousers on Wonder Woman.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 03:09:21 PM »

exactly! peter pan wears the tights in this relationship!
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 12:03:45 PM »

on the other hand, what were they thinking:

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 02:41:15 PM »

My girlfriend worked on the one before this and my friend Mike is an animator on this one and the next two. The decision to lose the skirt came from the use of 3D animation. There they couldn't use the old tricks from the 2D environment to keep lengthening her skirt every time they needed to make her PG rated. So they solved the problem by putting pants on her.

As for the low quality CG, yeah. It's not that it's low quality but that it's uninspired compared to the artfulness of the original design. A lot of that has to do with corporate input, unfortunately. And since the cost of these, even on a shoestring, is quite expensive jsut cause of the amount of manpower needed they don't put any more money than necessary into core design, rendering, etc.

I've seen all the sketches going into Pixie Hollow and the environments are actually quite beautiful. But yeah, the characters are a bit ... generic.

In conclusion, if I ever met the old-style Tink in real life, I'd do her.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2009, 02:47:57 PM »

see, now i have even more of a problem - the medium they're using is actually LIMITING them when compared with traditional animation, so why bother using it?!  Angry

interesting to know that it was more of a solution than a decision though, somebody tell  http://www.debbieschlussel.com/10276/tinkerbell-gone-butch-disney-revamps-glamorous-nymph-into-tomboy/

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Either Disney is trying to appease “modest” Muslims or they’ve gone the way of the rest of Hollywood and are trying to make their feminine characters more masculine.

Either way, the new and unimproved uniform and image of Tinker Bell leaves a lot to be desired from the formerly cute and feminine minidress clad nymph.  The new image is butch and silly.  Moreover, it’s not that different from Peter Pan.  Gone is the cute strapless green dress, the magic wand, and very visible angel wings.  Gone are the girly shoes, and now, instead, there are lace up boots reminiscent of the Jolly Green Giant, Robin Hood, or an elf.  No, your mother doesn’t wear hiking boots.  Your Tinker Bell does.

Oh, and now, there’s this stupid-looking visor/hat contraption, which I predict will, someday in the future, morph into a hijab.  Disney said it wanted to give “Tink” a tomboyish look.  Uh, talk about overdoing it.  The new Tinker Bell could be dating Rosie O’Donnell.  Hey, maybe now she/he/it can “run” the Department of Homeland Security.


Yes, Disney claims that it’s new Tinker Bell release, “Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure,” out on DVD on October 27th takes place in the fall when weather is cooler, but the weather has never affected Tinker Bell couture before. It’s a cartoon character, not a weather dependent human.

The whole thing is ridiculous.  Late last year, Disney was talking to porn star Paris Hilton about playing Tinkerbell.  Now, it’s done a stupid if-it-ain’t-broke, ruin-it move.  There’s nothing wrong with rebranding something to keep up with the times, but turning a charming, cute girly character into some masculine, butch action star is stupid.  Unless your audience is strictly WNBA.  And that’s called mass-market suicide.

If you’re a parent who thinks the new covered up version is a welcome change in a sexualized world, think again.  Tinker Bell has been wearing a skimpy dress for decades (watch the slide show).  That’s what nymphs who fly around with magic wands do.  This isn’t about modesty, or she’d be wearing baggy clothes and they wouldn’t have been in talks with a porn star to play her.

I can’t imagine Disney redoing the cast of “The Lion King” and dressing them for the North Pole.  This is akin to that.  And it’s dumb.  This isn’t about putting your girls in a less sexually-saturated world.  It’s about putting them in a more emasculated one, where the men are girls and the Tinker Bells are men.

And that’s never a good thing.  As I always say, matriarchical societies die.  They simply don’t have staying power.  Butch Disney characters for girls is not a positive development.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 11:48:20 AM »

What I love about feminism is that it once it evolved past financial equality it totally lost sight of what it was and constantly changes. Now women can't be tough and have to be skanks ... is used to me that women shouldn't be viewed as skanks ... so weird.

The use of 3D is also powerful in that they can build sets and reuse them, just like real-world sets. So it's a trade-off.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 12:51:14 PM »

yeah, there's a feminist argument to be made whatever the circumstances - she's too masculine, she's not feminine enough, etc.

don't they have background plates they re-use in traditional animation too...?
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 06:54:59 PM »

Yep, but it's a lot more restrictive. In 3D it's a digital set that you can walk through and pick your camera angles, so individual artists can create whatever "camera movements" and angles they want from the same set instead of having to hand draw ever frame. That's really where they save time in the end.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2009, 10:46:49 AM »

I guess that's why the whole of Beowulf was set in a mead hall.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2009, 12:35:00 PM »

you know...that kind of happened in the poem. apologies if there's sarcasm i'm not detecting.
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