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T.ROSS
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« on: October 29, 2010, 11:23:16 PM »

Here is a link to some pictures od the costume, share your thoughts below...

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/See-The-Costume-From-Tim-Burton-s-Superman-Lives-21477.html


I think it kinda looks cool. Knowing Tim Burton's style this could of worked. I liked what he did with Batman, I am now curious to see what he could of done with D.C. Comic's other major star Superman.

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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2010, 08:10:25 PM »

Wellll, I don't love it but there was no Superman movie for about 15 years so I'd have been fine with this existing as an experiment, rather than nothing. Maybe it would have been awesome, I trust the Tim Burton from that era.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2010, 10:07:05 PM »

We dodged a freakin bullet.

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/09/nicolas_cage_as_supermansuperm.php
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2010, 07:37:40 AM »

Just so you know, I'll be going on a killing spree if Zach Snyder does anything like this.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 04:27:38 PM »


That's so crazy!
Just so you know, I'll be going on a killing spree if Zach Snyder does anything like this.

I think Snyder wont do us wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 05:58:45 PM »

Zack Snyder won't mess up the ending of Watchmen and he won't mess up Superman.

Oh wait.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2010, 05:03:38 AM »

You didn't like the end of The Watchmen?

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 07:35:15 AM »

It's not 'The Watchmen' T Ross. Just Watchmen. It's a theme, not a team.  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2010, 09:00:13 AM »

I call it The Watchmen all the time too.

I went straight from reading the graphic novel to seeing the movie and the movie version made the ending feel a lot less...smart. The cinema audience around me just didn't really get it. Ozy was too much of a James Bond villain in the movie, not a tortured intellectual.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 09:46:10 AM »

I've still not seen the movie.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2010, 11:42:43 AM »

The ending of the comic is so powerful, with Night Owl and Uber Slut deciding to hide away and screw while their friend is slaughtered. It's a testament to how much Snyder just doesn't understand his source material (see Dawn remake for another example of this) and just turns in a flashier, Michael Bayier version.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2010, 01:08:20 PM »

Snyder is crap but I do like the opening credits of Watchmen. Also, I think he was wise to not put the big mutant squidy thing in the film, it probably would have looked ridiculous.
 
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2010, 01:32:10 PM »

it probably would have looked ridiculous.
 

I hate this excuse more than anything else in the world. It's his JOB to make it NOT look ridiculous.
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2010, 02:04:14 PM »

I don't necessarily think filmmakers have a duty to stick to source material 100%. Different things work in different mediums so they have to do what works best. It is one thing reading something or looking at a picture of it, it's another actually seeing it in motion. I admit though, it is annoying when a book you love is changed drastically for a TV or Film version.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2010, 05:02:37 PM »

I agree with you. From the looks of Watchmen I'd say Schneider should have deviated from the source a little more than he did, but I don't think that extends to major plot points or the climax of something. There are a lot of things that need to be adjusted and refitted in order to make them suitable for the medium of film but if you consider major plot points or the climax to be those things then why adapt it in the first place? My rant isn't really targeted at Watchmen (which I haven't seen), it's targeted at something like Rise of the Silver Surfer, which had a million problems other than fidelity...
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2010, 06:11:44 PM »

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From the looks of Watchmen I'd say Schneider should have deviated from the source

Rob Schneider? Explains a lot.
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2010, 07:03:28 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2010, 11:56:40 AM »

I hate this excuse more than anything else in the world. It's his JOB to make it NOT look ridiculous.

Not true, never true, in this or any other reality. It is not a film maker's duty to take all aspects of the source material and make it work for film.

There are two main approaches to take when converting written source material for film: Strict adherence whenever possible OR do whatever the fuck your heart desires as long as the book inspired you.

And honestly, both methods work. No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood were the two best films of 2007 and, honestly, they are two of the best films I've ever seen. No Country is incredibly close to the book. Blood has nothing to do with Oil! other than the setting. The book is actually about a father and son working well together in a family business.

For a different example of how one technique working amazingly well while the other failed, compare Kubrick's The Shining to King's own remake for TV over a decade later.

Where Snyder fails, and where I'd venture to say, after having the opportunity to interview him, Snyder will ALWAYS fail, is in his deeper understanding of the source material's theme and purpose. While I agree he should have taken the squid out since it made me roll my eyes even in the comic book and modern audiences have been poisoned by Realism in their cinema, he failed to understand or convey the bitter/sweet compromise, the questions of whether or not to die for your principles. Sure, he had some of that in there ... but he put it in bot because he knew it was important, but because he put EVERYTHING in. Every character and setting is pulled straight from the comic with loving detail. He even shot the Black Freighter stuff and the two dudes at the magazine stand ... and yet he did things like change the movement of the characters and their fighting style, things essential to the theme of the book.

The book opens with Rorschach shooting his grappling hook up the side of The Comedian's apartment building, then having to slowly climb to the top, since he's older and tired, and climbing a building is DIFFICULT.

In Snyder's version, he glides to the top like Batman and perches on the ledge like Christopher Walked in The Prophecy.

We see the same thematic dichotomy later when Snyder shoots the "rebirth" fight scene with Nite Owl and Uber Slut in his badass, sexy slow motion ... when in the book it's this brutal, clumsy, painful experience that almost drops them with exhaustion. 

Snyder's only hope with Superman is a script by Nolan's creative team. But even then, putting a nuanced script in the hands of a one-note director is not the best choice. The best we can hope for is that it's watchable.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2010, 01:31:32 PM »

Yeah, I wasn't advocating absolute fidelity without exception. I meant that if you're adapting from a comic - which unlike novels are a visual medium just like film is - then you are obliged to adapt it visually as well as textually. If he cut out the squid for story purposes, fine, I haven't seen the movie so I can't say if that was the right decision or not, but if he cut the giant squid because it was a giant squid? I think that's kind of stupid. He was slavishly faithful to the books art, which was (aside from the sequential storytelling) the worst aspect of the book. There is some truly awful looking stuff that he kept and tried to make cool, I don't see why the squid should be any different. Like I said before, my rant is more in relation to Fantastic Four 2 anyway, because if you think Galactus is stupid, adapting the thing in the first place is a pointless exercise.
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